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Posted on Jan 02, 2009

LG washing machine trips GFI Circuit Breaker

My LG washing machine repeatedly trips GFI circuit breakers. It does this on two different circuits with different breakers. It does not trip a non GFI circuit breaker. The LG repairman says we should not use a GFI breaker with this machine. Is this safe? Should we replace the washing machine or use the non GFI breaker as suggested by the repairman?

  • Derfn Feb 01, 2009

    Thanks for your comment. I operated multiple top loading washing machines for 25 years on this GFI breaker without a problem. However, the LG WM2016C, a front loader with a high spin rate and a direct drive motor, is apparently incompatible with GFI breakers. We have replaced the GFI breaker with a standard breaker and all is now well. However, I believe LG owes it to their customers to publicize the incompatibility in their literature and on their web site, and also to instruct their sales and service people accordingly. Currently this information is not available from LG without digging deeply and wasting considerable valuable time. It was not until the fourth service call, including a replacement of the main circuit board at LG's expense, that LG identified the problem.

  • Anonymous Apr 17, 2009

    Our friend has a new LG washer that repeatedly trips the laundry room GFI breaker. It also trips other GFI breakers. The old washer worked fine on the GFIC and another new (different brand) washer works fine. The LG manual specifically states that the washer must be connected to a GFI breaker, but the installer / service man recommended changing the outlet to a non-GFIC breaker, saying that the LG machine is not compatible with a GFIC breaker.


    My friend is getting the LG machine replaced with another brand. In my opinion, LG should not be allowed to sell this machine until they fix their problem. Note that if you follow the serviceman's advice rather than the manual, you are responsible for any injury or death that might occur. This appears to be a serious defect in some LG washers.

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WASHING MACHINES ARE NOT TO BE CONNECTED TO GFI OUTLETS AND TRY TO CONNECT IT TO A CERCIUT THAT IS NOT WITH YOUR DRYER. (REG) OUTLET.

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