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Bob Campbell Posted on Feb 19, 2015

My 2004 jag xj8 is surging at speed of 40 to 65, the RPM goes up and down 200 to 400 rpm.

Happens more under load or steady gas peddle and less off the gas. setting at stop and holding rpm,s at 1300 to 1800 it is smooth and steady, only happens while driving.

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The condition that causes that issue on my car is this:
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Please define the symptoms.
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What is the frequency of the surge?
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Is there a speed change related to the surge?
Does the tachometer move up and down with little or no change in vehicle speed?
Are all instrument indication in the normal range?
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