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Add 12 volt outlet switched by ignition

I have a 12 volt add on heated seat cushion that I want to turn on/off with the ignition. The existing outlet is on all the time and has drained the battery when the heated seat was left on after leaving the car. I installed and wired a new 12 volt outlet. The outlet is next to the existing one with a ground wire in the metal floor. I added a fuse tap to slot 13 (HTD/SEATS) with 2 10 amp fuses to power the outlet. I don't have heated seats so I thought it would not be in use. I was hopping it would be not be powered when the ignition was off, but that was not the case. How can I wire wire my new 12 volt outlet so it turns on/off with the ignition.

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Look in your owners manual for the accessory fuse. That line turns off. Also, consider a 12 volt relay between the seat and your power source. A small toggle switch will work well for a relay.

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SOURCE: car wont start

I noticed you replace the crankshaft sensor, but not the CAMshaft sensor.
The Ignition module takes the input of both sensors to tell the coil when to energize.
This sensor should come up as an error code when you attach a obd reader.
Even if your light is not on - there may be a code. If it is not your vehicle originally, some people pull the bulb!

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SOURCE: power seats and windows dont work car turns over wont start

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Anonymous

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SOURCE: Replace seats in 2003 Montana with seats from 2000 Montana

I would disconnect the battery minus - cable first, ensure the airbag connectors are the same ! otherwise I do not think you have a problem !!

Anonymous

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SOURCE: 2001 Montana heated seats not

I have a problem with the heated seats of my 2007 pontiac G6. they stay on at all the time. it was fine untill earlier today when I took my car for car wash. What do I do?

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  • Posted on Nov 30, 2010

SOURCE: 2002 Pontiac Bonneville. Both passenger

I have a 2005 Bonneville and lost my driver seat heater. The typical problem is a broken wire or connection in the seat section of the seat. If you're lucky, it may be a simple break like mine was; under the seat.
I pulled my seat out to work on it. Here's a picture of my broken wire towards the rear:

zeevert_12.jpg But, that didn't fix my problem. I also had a bad module. The control module is the same for both seats, so I was able to switch the modules and get my driver seat heater working. Here's a picture of the module. The module cost at the dealer is about $80-100(?)

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Testimonial: "Thanks Zeevert. I hope to tackle this problem soon, and have found your photos helpful. I'll let you know how it goes."

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How do the seat heater work on the 2004 Ford Explorer sport track xlt

Principles of Operation - Heated Seats, Vehicles Built 12/2002 Onward
The driver and passenger heated seats share a common ignition feed to the heated seat control switches and share a common ground to the seat backrest elements. The heated seat control switches are a latching type switch; continuity through the switch will remain regardless if voltage is supplied to the switch or not until the switch is pressed to place in the OFF setting. When the heated seat control switch is pressed with the ignition switch in RUN or START, voltage is supplied to the bi-metallic thermostat that is part of the seat cushion element. The seat cushion element and seat backrest element are wired in series and powered by the same output of the bi-metallic thermostat that is part of the seat cushion element. The heated seat control switch also will supply voltage to the separate indicator circuits at the dual automatic temperature control (DATC) module display panel to indicate an ON state. The heated seat will remain on until the heated seat control switch is pressed and voltage is no longer supplied to the bi-metallic thermostat. If the ignition source is removed from the heated seat, the heated seat system will return to the ON with the ignition switch in RUN state until the switch is pressed. The heated seat system is designed to heat the seat to 40?C (104?F) and maintain the temperature by the opening (no voltage to the heated seat elements) and closing (voltage supplied to the heated seat elements) of the bi-metallic thermostat.
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Front seat heated seats won't turn off on 2006 Cadillac Escalade

Heated Seat System Operation
The driver and passenger heated seats have 2 heat zone operating modes with 3 heat level modes and will operate only while the engine is running. The heat zones are determined by which of the 2 heated seat buttons are pressed, while the heat level is determined by the number of times they are pressed. Pressing the seat cushion button 1 time will activate the seat back and cushion heater elements in the high mode. Each time the seat cushion button is pressed the seat back and cushion heat level is reduced from high to medium, low, and off. Pressing the heated seat back button 1 time will activate only the seat back heater element in the high mode. Each time the seat back button is pressed the seat back heat level is reduced from high to medium, low, and off. During heated seat operation the heat zone operating mode may be changed without affecting the current heat level mode.
The heated seat switches are momentary contact switches and are inputs to the driver and passenger door modules. Battery voltage is supplied to the switch assembly from the door module, and when a heated seat switch is pressed and released a brief switch signal voltage is supplied to the door module. Whenever the door module receives an active heated seat switch input, the next heated seat operating mode is determined by whatever the current mode may be. The seat heater elements are controlled by the driver seat module using inputs from the door modules through Class 2 serial data circuit messages. The driver seat module controls the voltage supply and the ground circuits to the seat heater elements. When a heated seat function is commanded active, the seat module will switch battery voltage to the heater element supply circuits, and ground is provided through low side drive control circuits. During heated seat operation both the seat back and cushion heater elements are supplied battery voltage. The seat module grounds the appropriate control circuits for back only or back and cushion heating modes, and opens or closes the active control circuits as necessary in order to maintain the desired seat temperature. The seat module relies on inputs from thermistors located in the driver and passenger seat backs to control heated seat temperatures. The thermistors are 2 wire sensors supplied with a 5-volt referenced signal circuit and a low reference circuit from the seat module. Resistance through the thermistors varies with temperature causing the heated seat sensor signal circuit voltage levels to decrease as the seat back temperatures rise. The seat modules allow heated seat operation only while the engine is running which is determined by a Class 2 serial data circuit message from the powertrain control module.

Heated Seat Components
The heated seat system consists of the following components:
• Driver and passenger heated seat switches
• Driver and passenger seat back heater elements
• Driver and passenger seat cushion heater elements
• Driver and passenger seat back temperature sensors
• Driver seat module
• Driver door module
• Passenger door module

Do you know what B - body DTC -diagnostic trouble code are ?
DTC B2425 Driver Seat Heater Circuit
DTC B2435 Driver Seat Back Heater Sensor Circuit
DTC B3941 Front Seat Heaters Circuit

Heated Seat Always On
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Schematic Reference: Driver Seat Schematics and Passenger Seat Schematics
Connector End View Reference: Power Seat Connector End Views
1
Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle?
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle in Vehicle DTC Information
2
Operate the heated seat system.
Does the system operate normally?
Go to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
Go to Step 3
3
Install a scan tool.
Display the Heated Seat Status parameter in the driver seat module Input/Output data list.
Start the engine.
Does the scan tool display the Heated Seat Status parameter as Off?
Go to Step 6
Go to Step 4
4
Display the Heated Seat Mode parameter in the door module Inputs data list.
Does the scan tool display the Heated Seat Mode parameter as OFF?
Go to Step 6
Go to Step 5
5
Turn OFF the ignition.
Disconnect the heated seat switch connector to the door module.
Start the engine.
Does the scan tool display the Heated Seat Mode parameter as OFF?
Go to Step 7
Go to Step 8
6
Replace the driver seat module. Refer to Control Module References in Computer/Integrating Systems for replacement, setup, and programming.
Is the repair complete?
Go to Step 9
--
7
Replace the heated seat switch. Refer to Front Seat Heater Switch Replacement .
Is the repair complete?
Go to Step 9
--
8
Replace the door module. Refer to Control Module References in Computer/Integrating Systems for replacement, setup, and programming.
Is the repair complete?
Go to Step 9
--
9
Operate the system in order to verify the repair.
Did you correct the condition?
System OK
Go to Step 3


your best bet , have a qualified repair shop diagnose the problem
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Just bought a 2006 Lincoln Zephyr. The heated and cooled seats do not work. Every other button and function on the climate control works properly besides the heated and cooled seats, both driver and...

Tried resetting fuse's ????? how do you reset a fuse ?

The climate control seat system is able to heat and cool the front seats. Each climate controlled seat is operated by push-buttons on the EATC module located on the instrument panel. Each front seat temperature is then monitored and controlled by the dual climate control seat module (DCSM) located on the passenger front seat track.
The climate controlled seat system contains the following components:
  • EATC module
  • DCSM
  • Thermo-electric device (TED) and blower assembly within each front seat cushion and backrest
  • Air filter (attached to each TED and blower assembly)
  • Cushion and backrest manifolds
  • Cushion and backrest foam pads
  • Cushion and backrest trim covers
  • YOUR best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop . Unless you have factory service repair info. an a professional scan tool , This heated an cooling seat system can set DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes in the heated seat module .

Climate Controlled Seat System
NOTE: When installing a new dual climate control seat module (DCSM), it is necessary to carry out programmable module installation (PMI). For additional information, refer to Section 418-01 .


Both the driver and front passenger climate controlled seats are independently controlled electronically by the DCSM mounted to the bottom of the passenger seat cushion. The climate controlled seat system only operates with the engine running, however, if using a diagnostic tool to command the DCSM, diagnostic testing can be carried out with the ignition switch key ON engine OFF (KOEO). The system receives power from battery junction box (BJB) fuse 12 (30A) feeding battery voltage on circuit SBB12 (GN/RD) into DCSM C3305a pin F. The system also receives power from BJB fuse 11 (30A) feeding battery voltage on circuit SBB11 (BU/RD) into DCSM C3305a pin E.
If only one of the BJB fuses 11 or 12 open, both seats will remain operational because the power feed circuits are internally connected in the DCSM.
Both climate controlled seats operate independently. If a fault occurs setting a DTC specific to either climate controlled seat, only the affected seat will be disabled by the module and the other will remain operational.
The 4 switches (identified with seat icons) on the dual-zone electronic automatic temperature control (EATC) module activate each seat system setting and illuminate LEDs above each switch to indicate the operating mode, 3 LEDs for HIGH, 2 LEDs for MED or 1 LED for LOW. The push-buttons with the blue seat icon operate the seat cooling mode and the push-buttons with the red seat icon operate the seat heating mode. The climate controlled seat system is not equipped with auto-mode.
Each driver and front passenger seat cushion is equipped with a thermo-electric device (TED) assembly that includes a seat blower (fan motor, serviced as an assembly with the TED). Similarly, each driver and front passenger seat backrest is also equipped with its own TED assembly with blower. Cabin air is drawn through the blower and distributed to each of the TED modules located in the seat cushion and backrest. The TEDs then heat or cool the air. The air is then directed into the foam pad and manifold where it is distributed along the surface of the cushion and backrest of the seat. Once the system is activated, the DCSM uses a set of flexible algorithms to control the heating/cooling modes and the blower speed dependant on the EATC seat switch settings.

The TED uses a ''Peltier'' circuit of P-type and N-type semiconductors connected in series using copper electrical conductors. The semiconductors are sandwiched between 2 copper heat exchangers. When current is applied to the TED, one side releases energy as heat, while the opposite side absorbs energy and gets cold. By reversing the current flow, the hot and cold sides reverse.
NOTE: Avoid applying power directly to a TED for testing its operation. Doing so may cause damage to the TED or shorten its usable life.
The temperature differences between the individual heated and cooled settings is minimal. For example, it is difficult to distinguish between LOW COOL and MEDIUM COOL settings. Measuring seat temperature at different settings is possible by monitoring the DCSM PIDs using the diagnostic tool.
The EATC module communicates climate controlled seat commands to the DCSM using the medium speed controller area network (MS-CAN) communication bus. The MS-CAN bus is connected to the data link connector (DLC) for diagnostic use. No direct connection exists between the DCSM and EATC for the climate controlled seat switches. The climate controlled seats can be commanded using the diagnostic tool to verify both module communication on the MS-CAN bus and operation of the DCSM. This method may be useful for isolating a control switch concern. It should also be noted that because CAN bus communication is more robust and reliable than other methods, it may be possible to have limited module communication with one of the CAN bus circuits disconnected or shorted to ground. Refer to Section 418-00 for additional information concerning CAN bus communication.
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2007 Buick Lucerne CXL: Cooled seats not working. LIghts come on, temperature adjusters work but the motors under the seats do not come on.

Air Circulation
When the heated/cool seat switch is pressed to initiate operation of the climate control seat (CCS) system, cabin air is drawn through the heated/cool ventilation module air filter, then directed through passages in the foam of the seat cushion and seat back to the seat's occupant. In order for the CCS system to operate to its optimum performance, it is crucial to have unrestricted air flow through the system. A dirty or restricted air filter, the blockage of an exhaust air duct, a misaligned heated/cool ventilation module, or incorrect foam installation of the seat cushion or seat back will all have negative effects on CCS operation.
Heated/Cool Ventilation Module
Each heated/cool seat has 2 ventilation modules, one located under the seat cushion and one located in the seat back. These modules are controlled by the climate control seat module (CCSM). Each ventilation module contains a thermo-electric device (TED), a temperature sensor, and a blower motor. The TED and temperature sensor are mounted downstream of the blower motor. Each TED consists of a circuit of positive and negative connections sandwiched between 2 ceramic plates. Each ceramic plate is equipped with copper fins for heat exchange. The air flowing past these fins is either directed as conditioned air into the seat cushion and seat back, or directed into the cabin as waste air.
A TED is essentially a solid state heat pump that is used to heat or cool the air supply to the seat cushion and seat back. When voltage is applied to a TED, one side releases energy as heat, while the opposite side absorbs energy and gets cold. When the polarity of the current flow to the TEDs is switched, the hot and cool sides of the TED reverse.
During the following climate control seat system description and operation, the TEDs, blower motors, and temperature sensors will be referenced independently even though they are all packaged together as a module.
Climate Control Seat (CCS) System
The CCS system consists of two heated/cool ventilation modules and one climate control seat module (CCSM) that controls both the driver and passenger heated/cool seats systems. The CCSM is mounted below the front passenger seat cushion. It receives power from both, battery positive voltage and ignition 3 voltage.
Once a CCS system is activated, cabin air is drawn through the seat blower motors and directed across the fins of each of the thermo-electric device (TED) located under the seat cushion and in the seat back. The air is either heated or cooled as it passes over the TEDs. This conditioned air is then directed through channels in the foam of the seat pad and through small holes in the seat cover to the occupant. Once the system is activated, the CCSM uses a set of algorithms to control the temperature of the selected heating or cooling modes.
Your best bet is to take your vehicle to a qualified repair shop an have it diagnosed .
DTC B19A4: Driver Seat Back Blower Speed Circuit High

DTC B19A8: Driver Seat Back Blower Speed Circuit Short to Ground

DTC B103D: Driver Blower Power Circuit

DTC B272E: Driver Seat Back Blower Circuit Open
DTC B19A3: Driver Seat Cushion Blower Speed Circuit High

DTC B19A7: Driver Seat Cushion Blower Speed Circuit Short to Ground

DTC B2729: Driver Seat Cushion Over Temperature
DTC B19A2: Passenger Seat Back Blower Speed Circuit High

DTC B19A6: Passenger Seat Back Blower Speed Circuit Short to Ground

DTC B111D: Passenger Blower Power Circuit

DTC B272F: Passenger Seat Back Blower Circuit Open
DTC B19A1: Passenger Seat Cushion Blower Speed Circuit High

DTC B19A5: Passenger Seat Cushion Blower Speed Circuit Short to Ground

DTC B272A: Passenger Seat Cushion Over Temperature
Driver and Passenger Heated/Cool Seats Inoperative
  1. Ignition OFF, disconnect the C1 harness connector at the CCSM.
  2. Test for less than 5 ohms between the ground circuit terminal M and ground.
  3. ?‡'
    If greater than the specified range, test the ground circuit for an open/high resistance.

  4. Verify that a test lamp illuminates between the B+ circuit terminal E and ground.
  5. ?‡'
    If the test lamp does not illuminate, test the B+ circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance.

  6. Disconnect the C2 harness connector at the CCSM.
  7. Ignition ON, verify that a test lamp illuminates between the ignition circuit terminal 1 and ground.
  8. ?‡'
    If the test lamp does not illuminate, test the ignition circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance.

  9. If all circuits test normal, replace the CCSM.


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Add 12 volt outlet switched by ignition

maybe try getting your 12v feed from the radio power, this should be connected to the ignition switch and will run when the key is turned to accessory or the ignition is turned on
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Wire 12 volt outlet switched by the ignition

wire it up to the spare in your fuse box. one side is on only when your ignition is on .fitted with an online switch .to switch on and off.
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How to repair a drivers heated seat on a 2007 Ford 500

The following checks and repairs can help you:
1. In the fuse box within the bonnet - check fuse number 22, if burnt, replace it
2. Check fuse 19 in the fuse box inside the car located under the dashboard on the driverside
3. If these steps don't help, the problem may be with the wiring and connection between the module and the seat cushion - inspect it
4. Check if the signal return on the circuit is adequately functioning - if the module is being informed of an active seat
5. If there is a problem - repair or replace the circuit and/or wiring.
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The driver's side heated seat won't turn off on my 2003 Mecury Moutaineer. Also, how do I change my cabin filter?

Your vhicle build date is on a blue sticker on the driver door or door frame. If not there, check other doors.
The heated seat Module is under the seat. You can unplug the connector on it or the heated seat switch to shut it off. I supect the module is bad. get one used from car-parts.com. The cabin air filter is under the leaf screen at the base of the windshield. Remove wiper arms and leaf screen for access. Please rate, thanks. Principles of Operation - Heated Seats - Vehicles Built 03/2002 Onward
NOTE: Two heated seat modules are used, one for vehicles built up to 03/2002 and one for vehicles built 03/2002 onward. The modules are not interchangeable.
The driver and passenger heated seats share a common battery and ignition feed. A shared ground source supplies the heated seat control switches. When the heated seat control switch is pressed with the ignition switch in RUN or START, a momentary ground signal is sent to the heated seat module. The heated seat module then supplies power to the heating element circuit. The cushion element and seat backrest element are wired in series and powered by the same output. The heated seat module also will ground the separate indicator circuit at the dual automatic temperature control (DATC) module display panel to indicate an ON state. The heated seat module will remain on until the heated seat control switch is pressed and a momentary voltage signal is received, or until 10 minutes expire. If the ignition source is removed from the module, the heated seat module will enter an OFF state and will not return to ON until the switch is once again pressed with the ignition switch in RUN. The heated seat module is designed to heat the seat to 37.5?C (99.5?F) and maintain the temperature until time-out or switched off. This temperature is maintained by the heated seat module monitoring the temperature sensor located in the seat cushion element, and adjusting the current flow to the heating elements.
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I need a switched source of 12 volts.

go to the fuse panel find the fuse that is powered by the ingtion source take a test light turn key on to see which one has power then use that fuse slot the make fuses with a wire connceter on it ofr your power source
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