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03 grand am powers up "lights,radio,etc.turn the key nothing

Working on an 03 grand am. i have power to all the acessories.. turn the key and nothing,battery has ample juice..plugged in my code reader zero codes came up!!! tried the 10 minute key trick still nothing..i was later told the fuse box had recently been replaced. They took it for a test drive.ran like 5 mins made a "noise" and shut down has been sitting since... any ideas besides towing it to a gm dealer,,or scrapyard....sorry about the lack of info on the first question...

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Why would you do 10 minute key trick ? Is the SECURITY light on steady ? Just a code reader ? Checks just Engine PCM codes ! Need a professional type scan tool to check codes in the BCM - body control module ! Don't know what and how much you know about these GM vehicles ? The ignition switch is a low voltage input to the BCM ! To determine power mode , off ,ACC , run , crank
On vehicles that have several control modules connected by serial data circuits, one module is the Power Mode Master, PMM. On this vehicle the PMM is the BCM. The PMM receives 3 discreet ignition switch signals to differentiate which power mode will be sent over the Class 2 Serial Data circuit.
To determine the correct power mode the PMM uses the following circuits:
• Ignition 0
• Ignition 1 voltage
• Ignition 3 voltage
Discrete Ignition Signals
Those modules that have discrete ignition signal inputs also remain in the state dictated by the last valid PMM message received on the serial data circuits. They then check the state of their discrete ignition input to determine the current valid state. If the discrete ignition input is active, battery positive voltage, the modules will fail-safe to the RUN power mode. If the discrete ignition input is not active, open or 0 voltage, the modules will fail-safe to OFF-AWAKE. In this state the modules are constantly checking for a change status message on the serial data circuits and can respond to both local inputs and serial data inputs from other modules on the vehicle . If you don't know anything about this your best bet , take it to a GM dealer . Without knowing what state the BCM is in or seeing from the ignition switch or if DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes are stored , can't give you any sound advice . Would only be guessing !

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Sam Challis

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SOURCE: car dies while driving

It could be something as simple as a bad or loose ground wire but the hard part is finding it.
Good luck
Sam

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 22, 2009

SOURCE: 2003 Pontiac Grand AM will not start. Security light is NOT on.

sounds to me like you better find another dealer or possibly an auto electric dealer they should have done it right the first time

Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 17, 2010

SOURCE: 1999 Sunfire 2.2L wont start

Try starting it with the shifter in neutral. You might have a bad
Neutral safety switch.

Jonah Oneal

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  • Posted on Jun 20, 2010

SOURCE: Driving 2004 Grand Am down the road and it decides

YOU SAW SMOKE COMING OUT EXHAUST PIPE.SOUND LIKE BLOWN HEAD GASKET.TOO MUCH ANTIFREEZE GOT IN THE CRANKCASE AND CYLINDER BLOCK BY THE PISTONS CAUSING ENGINE TO HYDROLOCK.CHECK CRANK CASE TO SEE ITS FULL OF COOLANNT.IT WILL LOOK LIKE A MILK SHAKE.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 28, 2011

SOURCE: Grand Prix GT 2002 3800

Key not coming out of ignition leads me to believe the lock cylinder is messed up. First try to put car in nuetral and then remove key. Second, check to see if the SECURITY light is on on the dash when it doesnt start. You might have a messed up lock cylinder that is setting off the anti theft in your vehicle. Pontiac/GM vats antitheft turns starters OFF..... Here is info on VATS

So the Security light is on or flashing in your vehicle and you are looking at 1 of 3 things. Either the vehicle won't crank over and start, It cranks but dies in a few seconds, or your vehicle shuts off while driving scaring the **** out of you. You have now experienced GM's worst security system ever created. GM's security, also known as Passlock Passkey or Vats.

There are 3 parts in this system.
1.The CHIPKEY
Normally a black resister chip in key which "communicates" to the lock cylinder. Sometimes is hidden in the plastic part of keys in new models. Same concept, might say PK1 PK2 PK3 PL or something similar to that. The newer ones work on frequency. Same thing tho.
2.The LOCK CYLINDER
Inside there are pins that read the chip in the key or the part that reads the frequency on new models. This then "communicates" to the TDM)
3.The TDM
Theft Deterrant Module-Sometimes called the "computer" or "brain". This is the part that sends the signal (**NOTE**) to your car and allows your car to start or continue running depending on your type of system.
If any of these parts are not communicating properly, your SECURITY light will come on and shut down your vehicle. The idea being, that without the chipped key or FOB key, the vehicle wont start and cant be "hotwired" or stolen. Pretty nice when working, but these systems are flawed and the average life is 6-10 years. Every single aspect of this system is expensive to replace and can only be worked on by "authorized" GM service men with out voiding warrenty. Most garages dont even touch them and if they do,
they will sell you every part they can before "fixing" the problem/
*QUICK FIX TRICKS*
1st trick
Try a spare key that is newer or used less. The pins wear down with use and so do the keys causing the security to fail.

2nd trick
(if not starting) turn the key forward 2 clicks till right before it would normally start, leave like that for 10 minutes. ( no less ) After 10 minutes, turn key back then forward and your car might start. I did this in my Buick for more than a year. If its shutting down while running, I'm sorry I have no quick fix...

*PERMINANT FIX*
Well since the lifespan of these systems are so short, and are extremely expensive to fix, and in my opinion far worse of a threat to owners than theives, my only perminant suggestion is to eliminate it completely. After a year of 10 minute tricks and a "key bypass" that lasted 2 months and stranded me out of state, ($375 tow charge) i have only one good suggestion. After surfing the web for hours thru forums and websites i came across http://newrockies.com/passkey to the starter or injectors and so on. Thus eliminating the ENTIRE system completely. I came upon a fork in my road. A TDM for $600 in my $1000 car or the $200 bypass. Or throw my car away. Lets say i now drive a Buick with the chip ripped out of the key and the TDM sitting in my glovebox for show
and tell. If you have any questions or anything else. Comment on this post
and i'll get an E-mail to reply to you. If you do choose to buy the bypass,
i have pictures of what a TDM looks like and will definately help you when
installing the newrockies bypass. Good luck
Here is a list of known effected cars that can be fixed with the
newrockies bypass. This is the same list from the site and updates
frequently.
Pontiac
1994-2003 Grand Prix
1998-1999 Montana
2006 Torrent
1996-2005 Grand AM
1994-1998 Trans Sports
1988-1999 Bonneville
1988-2002 Firebird
1995-2005 Sunfire
1996-2002 Trans Am
.

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